Msg#: 2957 *Tech Talk* 09/19/88 11:52:00 (Read 1 Times) From: RICK ELLIS To: CHRIS HOLTEN Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2956 (RE: PK36) CH> > DH: > Just rename PK 3.61 packer and unpacker PKARC.EXE and CH>PKXARC.EXE. CH> > DH: > It will look, smell, taste and feel just like PK35, CH>but CH> > DH: > it is *much* faster. CH> > DH: CH> > DH: Even better, rename them to PK.EXE and PKX.EXE - not CH>only CH> > DH: are CH> > DH: these easier and faster to type, but you avoid the "ARC" CH>controversy CH> > DH: altogether! CH> CH>Yeh but then it doesn't work with many programs that manipulate CH>Archives and are set up to use PKARC and PKXARC. Keep two copies around. --- * Origin: HOMER -- Home of the `Universal' Remote Control (Opus 1:102/161) Msg#: 2956 *Tech Talk* 09/19/88 11:46:00 (Read 1 Times) From: RICK ELLIS To: JOHN SOUVESTRE Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2953 (RE: PK36) JS> > When jerks start getting lawyers involved it's time to JS> > stay away from JS> > them and everything they do! SEA seems to want to stiffle JS>all JS> > innovation unless it comes from SEA. JS> JS>Stiffle innovation? How innovative is it to copy someone else's JS>work and sell it as your own? From what I understand, that's JS>what PKWare did. SEA was merely protecting their copyright, JS>and sometimes this requires a lawyer's help. Bullshit! I can't see where PK copied anything except maybe part of the user interface. What they did is write software that worked better and faster on ARC files. SEA didn't like the competition. Why do you say PK copied the software? It doesn't even look the same and it's not even written in the same language. What about SEA copying the compression algorhythms? Thom didn't exactly do those on his own! --- * Origin: HOMER -- Home of the `Universal' Remote Control (Opus 1:102/161) Msg#: 2953 *Tech Talk* 09/20/88 04:17:00 (Read 0 Times) From: JOHN SOUVESTRE To: GARY LAU Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2952 (RE: PK36) > I've heard about SEA going after the author of NARC but > SHARC? > Jim Derr's program (at least the version I have, 8.60) is > a PKARC/PKXARC shell and by itself cannot archive and extract. You miss the whole point. Its the use of "ARC" as part of the program's name that they object to. Like it or not, they have it trademarked. Try to come out with a product named..... "xxxIBM" and see how long it is before Big Blue calls you! --- * Origin: New Orleans Tech Board (504-885-5928) (Opus 1:390/101) Msg#: 2952 *Tech Talk* 09/20/88 03:57:00 (Read 0 Times) From: JOHN SOUVESTRE To: KEVIN LOWEY Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2937 (RE: PK36) > JS> KL> Lets look at what he is doing NOW. He is claiming that > JS> KL> the .ARC file format belongs to HIM and only HE can write > JS> KL> programs that use .ARC files > JS> > JS>I guess I must have missed it, but where is SEA claiming this? > JS> As I understand it, the ONLY person being prohibited from > JS>writing a program that handles ARC files is PKWare. > > If he can sue one from doing it, he can try to sue them > all. From what I read (the original complaint, the public notice of settlement, and a policy statement from SEA) this isn't so. SEA isn't concerned about anyone writing a program which understand's ARC format. They are concerned about the use of their trademark (ARC) and their copyrighted code. (Perhaps "theft" is a better word than "use". So, as long as you don't use their code, and don't misuse the name ARC (ex: Making it part of the name of your program, or not giving the required trademark credit) then they have no beef with you. Please note that you don't have to license someone's trademark just because you want to refer to it. Read some of the fine print at the bottom of adds which refer to competitors products, by name (trademarked name, that is). In SEA's policy statement they specifically state that anyone (except those with agreements to the contrary with SEA) is welcome to use the ARC format. What you fail to understand, I think, is that it is _ONLY_ PKWare and Phil Katz who have agreed to give up this right. This is obviously a penalty PK agreed to in light of their "transgressions". Now, I'm as sorry as anyone else about this whole mess. It seems to me, however, that SEA only resolved what PKWare started. By law, they had to, or their rights would have been forfeited against future "transgressors". Consider how vigorously IBM defended just the "/2" part of "PS/2". --- * Origin: New Orleans Tech Board (504-885-5928) (Opus 1:390/101) Msg#: 2957 *Tech Talk* 09/19/88 11:52:00 (Read 2 Times) From: RICK ELLIS To: CHRIS HOLTEN Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2956 (RE: PK36) Msg#: 2956 *Tech Talk* 09/19/88 11:46:00 (Read 2 Times) From: RICK ELLIS To: JOHN SOUVESTRE Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2953 (RE: PK36) Msg#: 2953 *Tech Talk* 09/20/88 04:17:00 (Read 1 Times) From: JOHN SOUVESTRE To: GARY LAU Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2952 (RE: PK36) Msg#: 2952 *Tech Talk* 09/20/88 03:57:00 (Read 1 Times) From: JOHN SOUVESTRE To: KEVIN LOWEY Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2937 (RE: PK36) Msg#: 2937 *Tech Talk* 09/19/88 14:45:00 (Read 0 Times) From: RICHARD SAMUELS To: THE WIZARD Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2889 (RE: PK36) Msg#: 2889 *Tech Talk* 09/17/88 07:45:00 (Read 0 Times) From: STEVE OSTERDAY To: HARVEY NEHGILA Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2879 (RE: PK36) Msg#: 2884 *Tech Talk* 09/18/88 09:17:00 (Read 0 Times) From: MICHAEL DEIGNAN To: ALL Subj: SEA/PK PCWORLD THINGY Msg#: 2879 *Tech Talk* 09/18/88 02:59:00 (Read 0 Times) From: RICK SMYTHE To: THE WIZARD Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2858 (RE: PK36) Msg#: 2858 *Tech Talk* 09/17/88 11:44:00 (Read 1 Times) From: DANA HARKNETT To: CHRIS HOLTEN Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2822 (RE: PK36) Msg#: 2782 *Tech Talk* 09/17/88 19:20:00 (Read 1 Times) From: HARVEY NEHGILA To: IVAN SCHAFFEL Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2745 (RE: PK36) Msg#: 2745 *Tech Talk* 09/16/88 01:35:00 (Read 1 Times) From: IVAN SCHAFFEL To: HARVEY NEHGILA Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2731 (RE: PK36) Msg#: 2742 *Tech Talk* 09/16/88 14:32:00 (Read 1 Times) From: DON HOLMES To: JOHN SOUVESTRE Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2517 (SEA V. PK) Msg#: 2731 *Tech Talk* 09/15/88 01:42:00 (Read 1 Times) From: GARY LAU To: PHIL COMBS Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2709 (RE: PK36) Msg#: 2709 *Tech Talk* 09/14/88 16:13:00 (Read 1 Times) From: THE WIZARD To: KEN WECTER Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2675 (RE: PK36) Msg#: 2675 *Tech Talk* 09/16/88 01:43:00 (Read 1 Times) From: HARVEY NEHGILA To: JOHN SOUVESTRE Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2671 (RE: PK36) Msg#: 2671 *Tech Talk* 09/16/88 09:30:00 (Read 1 Times) From: DARYL ROYAL To: PHIL COMBS Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2656 (RE: PK36) Msg#: 2657 *Tech Talk* 09/13/88 20:51:00 (Read 1 Times) From: ROD WHITWORTH To: PATRICK DEATHERAGE Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2497 (PK VS SEA) Msg#: 2656 *Tech Talk* 09/13/88 20:50:00 (Read 1 Times) From: ROD WHITWORTH To: STEVEN RUHL Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2629 (RE: PK36) Msg#: 2629 *Tech Talk* 09/15/88 02:42:00 (Read 1 Times) From: JOHN SOUVESTRE To: HARVEY NEHGILA Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2628 (RE: PK36) Msg#: 2628 *Tech Talk* 09/15/88 02:38:00 (Read 1 Times) From: JOHN SOUVESTRE To: HARVEY NEHGILA Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2619 (RE: PK36) Msg#: 2619 *Tech Talk* 09/13/88 10:53:00 (Read 1 Times) From: CHRIS HOLTEN To: DANA HARKNETT Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2558 (RE: PK36) Msg#: 2557 *Tech Talk* 09/13/88 14:32:00 (Read 1 Times) From: JOHN SOUVESTRE To: RICK ELLIS Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2534 (RE: PK36) Msg#: 2534 *Tech Talk* 09/13/88 07:40:00 (Read 1 Times) From: PHIL COMBS To: STEVEN RUHL Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2507 (RE: PK36) Msg#: 2517 *Tech Talk* 09/11/88 10:39:00 (Read 0 Times) From: PHILLIP OWEN To: DIRK DUNNING OF 105/3 Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2247 (RE: SEA V. PK) Msg#: 2507 *Tech Talk* 09/09/88 22:30:00 (Read 1 Times) From: KEN WECTER To: DARWIN COLLINS OF 930/5 Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2494 (RE: PK36) Msg#: 2497 *Tech Talk* 09/10/88 21:18:00 (Read 0 Times) From: PATRICK DEATHERAGE To: ALL Subj: PK VS SEA Msg#: 2494 *Tech Talk* 09/10/88 21:01:00 (Read 2 Times) From: PATRICK DEATHERAGE To: PAUL GOODSPEED (Rcvd) Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2461 (RE: PK36) Msg#: 2461 *Tech Talk* 09/12/88 22:27:00 (Read 1 Times) From: MIKE GARDINER To: DIRK DUNNING OF 105/3 Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2400 (RE: PK36)